jeder kann sich dann Designtechnisch austoben. Was möglich ist, hat Ynda mit dem Spinal Body http://pbhub.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=77735 gezeigt.
Ydna hat geschrieben:There's enough people talking about this so I wanted to start a new thread about it. The project is long from being done but I'll update this thread as we get closer.
I've delayed posting on this project because it's hit a couple detours over the last few months, where the details of the bodies got all shaken up and altered. I don't want people to read outdated information then buy one only to find out something changed. This is going to get confusing because I currently have a couple early version prototypes which are already outdated. I'll try to keep things organized.
Okay so here's the scoop. At some point in the futuretime I'm going to start selling unmilled Shocker "slug" bodies that are SIMILAR to what you can see below. I say similar because one of the changes I've made is eliminating the solenoid inserts. More on that later.
This is what my preproduction bodies look like at the time of this posting.
^ preproduction slug bodies, revision 1.3.
^ preproduction slug bodies, revision 1.3. (picture added May 23, 2014)
^ boss feedneck with one of my basic Nummech feedneck housings. (same feedneck from Zealot prototypes, compatible with Empire/J4/Nummech)
(picture added May 23, 2014)
Changes being made:Other characteristics:
- Eliminated the solenoid inserts and replaced them with a directly-ported rail component. This is the biggest change and is the main reason why I keep saying the v1.3 bodies are outdated - the v1.3 bodies seen above DO NOT include this change because they were too old. If you want to see a picture of how this will be done, look here or here.
- Eliminated the tiny loctited set screws; see above.
- Compatible with boss-latching feednecks from a Sniper/Vanquish/Resurrection/Torque/Zealot. These are MUCH more reliable than any threaded feedneck so I'm making the change. I will sell raw feednecks if you want one, or you can get an anodized one from a large Empire distributor/retailer.
- Compatible with Autococker-threaded barrels. I might make some with NXT/Ion/Impulse threads if there's enough demand, haven't decided yet.
- There's several other small changes to the bodies, but most are simply alterations done to make them easier to manufacture. No big deal!
What will be included?
- Compatible with both SFT reflective eyes or NXT beam-break eyes. You can use either eye hardware regardless of the eye cover style.
- Compatible with both SFT and NXT eye covers. Use long-style threaded Impulse/ShockerSFT ball detents with SFT eye covers, or use the NXT 3-48 threaded screws with NXT eye covers. Also compatible with unmilled slug NXT-style eye covers which are coming soon (coming soon at the time of this writing)
- Compatible with all Shocker SFT/NXT fire chamber variations (the bodies do not have a "window" unless you choose to mill one).
- Compatible with both SFT and NXT vertical adapters just like factory NXT bodies.
- EDIT: The frame has been shifted rearward by around 3/8". Therefore there's an additional 3/8" gap between the frame and vertical adapter.
- Compatible with all factory Shocker SFT/NXT solenoids, manifolds, and frames.
- Extended raw material on the sides, front, and top of the marker body. Even the factory bodies didn't have this much material available.
Who can buy one of these?
- Shocker Slug body with individualized serial number.
- Optional: Slug unmilled eye covers (estimated cost is $30 for the pair)
- Optional: Nummech boss-latch feedneck (estimated cost is $35)
- Optional: basic 3-axis milling fixture (see info below)
- Manufacturing prints that can be used to carry forward additional milling from the Slug body form. (this information will also be posted here and on my ZDS CAD file post).
- Basic hardware for each body is included. (air chamber plug set screws, air port sealing o-rings) I have most other screws available if you need them.
- Preliminary manufacturing prints for the "suggested" mounting fixture designs are also available. These fixtures will allow you to accurately workhold the body in order to access the top, left, and right side of the marker using a typical 3-axis mill. This is more up to the person doing the final machining work since everybody has their own ideas, but I'll help however I can.
I will be selling these to anybody that wants one. However, there will be a noticeable price break depending on how many bodies you buy.
How many moneydollars???
At this point I'm not sure, I'm haven't finished running the numbers since the project is not finalized.
When will they be ready for sale?
I'm currently backed up until at least mid-2014. So I would guess they will be finished up in 2014 sometime.
That's all I have for now. I can answer specific questions so long as things don't get too confusing. I warned you!!
Ydna hat geschrieben:Yes I'll have all the CAD files available for anyone right off the website. I wouldn't do you wrong! Not just the CAD files but also required notes on the portions of the body which can be used for precision locating.
I'd have already released this info to give people a jumpstart on their ideas, but the design is still shifting around here and there.
There'll actually be two versions of the CAD files available (below picture).
1. "Raw" square extrusion, which shows all of the available material.
2. My version of a basic "tube body", which is essentially a simplified UL-milled body.
You CAD guys should be able to come up with anything you want using one or both of those. The raw body can be cut inward, while the tube body can be used to model shapes outward by using the tube structure as a basis.
In the past, companies tend to only release the "raw" files, like the extrusion model above. But that doesn't do much good for showing things like areas to avoid, minimum clearances, basic shapes used as a starting point, etc. It's also only conducive to a "subtractive" CAD modeling style, which not everybody follows. That's why I made the tube body.
Fixture connection points is something like this (once I update it to reflect "final" dimensions)
Reference information (again, needs to be updated)
File for a sample milling fixture, which you can buy from me if you want.
Even though the transfer plate is a separate component, it should be joined up with the body when doing cosmetic milling. So even once those prints are updated, the final appearance will be very similar.
Ydna hat geschrieben:I think a frame-routed air supply wouldn't be out of the question due to the nature of my "transfer plate" system being modular. It would need different ports drilled, but that's something people have been asking about anyway. I think making a gun like that would be easiest if using a hose-barb solenoid, which would probably be the only real "downside" (if you call it a downside).
Making modified parts like that is *possible* but not exactly in line with what I'm looking to provide, at least not initially. The first thing I have to do is get the typical Slug bodies shipping, then after they're stocked up I can turn attention to modified items like that. It would actually be an interesting avenue for people looking to make ultra-custom spool valve markers from scratch, so long as they could fit within the confines of the Shocker screw pattern and whatnot.
I'm getting closer to finishing these up. I've been talking with Tyler-smartballer on reverting the design of the slug eye covers for use with NXT detent plungers, and simply manufacturing those on my own in order to make them available for anybody using NXT markers. No promises yet, but may things are on the table of ideas.
Another idea has popped up over the last few weeks, that's for making the transfer plate have an integrated front reg mount. This is easy to do but increases the materials cost by quite a bit, since there's a giant chunk of material that would need to be milled off around the FRM area. I like this idea for simplicity and also for "bringing the marker up to par" with current day tech, but the cost increase is the downside. Thoughts?
Ydna hat geschrieben:Semi-update! I prototyped the slug's unmilled eye covers. This is basically my redesigned version of the NXT eye cover, but without the internal screw. I changed it to a more traditional bolt-from-the-outside design because it's MUCH easier to do (aka. the only way I can keep it cheap)
Preproduction slug body
^ that's installed in a Shocktech NXT, it shows approximately how much meat there is on the slug bodies.
I have to test the detent fit but I'm hopeful. Barring any changes, I'd like to crank out a batch of them and make them available for anybody so you can fit them onto your SFT or NXT, base model or private label. I'm also going to make a little eye cover fixture that you can buy if you want to file/dremel/mill the top of a slug cover.
Note: I plan to mill them shorter for use on SFT base model bodies. that way they'll at least match.
Ydna hat geschrieben:Okay dudes. CUrrently I'm programming the Slugs, so no more changes! Our path is set!!
1. I bought some material over the weekend which will become the pre-production models of the most recent Slug body design (version-2.3). I began the process to make two preproduction bodies for testing the transfer plate design. If the new parts are worthy then I'll blow into the rest of the raw material and make more. I won't have many ready right off the bat, so please be patient...making these will take a considerable amount of time even once the design is up and running.
The first steps of the body and transfer plate are done....
2. I don't want to release CAD files until the design is tested. It'll just be too confusing if I have to make another change and everybody's files are outdated. As soon as the design is tested out I'll upload everything!
3. I've wrapped up the last couple changes to the "final" design (hopefully!). A couple things:
- I added an integrated hardstop for the SFT trigger pre-travel set screw problem I described earlier. You'll have to use a small allen key to work the eye ribbon through the canal, but it should be pretty similar to the NXT bodies. All triggers compatible!
- It's possible you will need to make small modifications to a SFT Shocker frame to mount it on the body. The little screws that hold the transfer plate might get in the way of the frame toward the back (behind the solenoid). You should be able to clear out this material with a common metal file. A dremel would make things easier. It looks like a Shocker NXT frame won't need any modifying I can't say for certain about Hybrid SFT or CCM frames.
- I enlarged the air ports leading between the body and transfer plate. There's 16% more area available for the solenoid to vent through the body. If you want the bolt to move fast, this is good for you.
- I added an adjustable set screw underneath the solenoid manifold which will constrict the solenoid when pushing the bolt forward. If you want the bolt to move slow, this is good for you. You can adjust it without taking the gun apart.
The adjustable speed control is NOT compatible with the stock solenoid manifolds, so you'll need a new one to take advantage of the feature. If you don't care about bolt speed then no problem because all stock manifolds are still compatible. The adjustable control manifolds will be made from stainless steel and cost the same as an aluminum one.
Overall I'm happy with this because it's the only way to get BOTH a stainless manifold and an adjustable bolt speed system rolled into one. Before now you had to choose, do you want a stainless unstrippable manifold from NDZ or Evolve, or do you want adjustable bolt speed from SP's "air vent" manifold or Speedscustom manifold. Well now you can have both....if you want. If not then hey go for a stock manifold.
I think that's it for now. At this point I need to make fixtures before I can move forward with the prototyping, so I'm not sure how long that will take. But I want to have the preproduction bodies for testing before my big game at the end of july, we'll see if it's possible....
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